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iriyabran · Mar 15, 2007, 03:26 PM // 15:26

Because i don't believe gw2 will turn good.

Edit: Anyway i voted NO for importing characters. The game will be entirely new so lots of things will probably work different compared to the old game. And i suppose it will be on much higher graphical level old chars will look out of place there.

Phantom Flux · Mar 15, 2007, 08:14 PM // 20:14

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Aside from that being completely unrelated to this debate, childish and I have no idea how my profile suggests I have no life.

How is it any less sad that 50% of players are getting emotionally attached to the their characters. To the point that they are threatening to boy-cot GW2 if they cant transfer them over?

I havent even played GWs in about 2 months. I've actually been having a life outside of the game because I got bored. Somehow sitting in the SU pub chatting to friends, apeals alot more then spending 3 hours a night online playing an MMO. I've also somehow managed to not break down in tears, or go cold-turkey from not seeing my prized elemental in a few months.

I apologise to the mod for responding to that, I know you said not to incourage flames. I hope I havent.

My point was very simply that GW2 will be a new game. I dont understand why people dont want to start a fresh and enjoy the challenge of it. Using existing characters will make GW2 extremely boring for PvE if you can just run straight in and complete the game in one go. Its like picking up a new book and reading the last page.

I have a question though.

This 50% of people who are voting to transfer characters. How many of you are PvP and how many are PvE?

I would have expected PvE players to love the idea of starting a whole new game from scratch because we all love to role play.

I have a feeling that most of the 50% are PvP players who dont like to RPG, dont like to grind and level and dont like to start new characters.

If thats the case, then that 50% vote isnt a valid figure and its biased.

The OP should have split the vote for PvP and PvE. Either had two seperate poles or made his choices take into account what play style you use.

The two sides are going to have very different opinions about this.

I can appreciate the PvP perspective of not wanting to start all over again. But I dont accept the PvE perspective because the whole point of PvE is to role play and create new characters.

A whole new game, with a fresh start, and a fresh new take on the Guild Wars world should be exactly what the PvE community have been thriving for. A chance to quence the bordem.

Why tarnish that with aspects from an older game? It should be as far removed from GW1 as it can, or its going to basically end up a sooped up version of Prophercies with new graphics, new missions and quests.

I dont want that, and I would hope other PvE'ers dont want that.

I don't mean to flame, but this guy is totally brown nosing with a capital B. LOL and it sticks out in with the extra laughs.

50% of those players Ill bet are more pve than pvp. 50% are those people who worked hard on their pves to get the most expensive armor (probably more than 2 sets) in the game along work hard on titles. In pvp, you may get rank or even Kurzick or Luxon titles, which becomes universal, and not all but most of the players who probably and most likley aren't of that 50% with pves must not have accomplished that much. For players like that it's very easy to just delete a level 20 pve with 1.5k armor dyed red. PVPs don't need the extra hard work that is placed into PVEs who sooner become a much lavished pvp version once fully developed.

As the majority have spoken, if Anet thinks we should be grateful, they should be 10x grateful for us even having the time dealing with their work. It's not like they are the only video game makers out there. With that said, the majority has spoken, period.LOL.

If Anet isn't going to abide to importing new characters, then they should abide to terrible sales.

Gli · Mar 15, 2007, 09:41 PM // 21:41

People are obviously not thinking things through.

Importing characters would equal duplicating the characters, assuming GW1 will still be up and running when GW2 comes around. (And there's no reason to believe it won't be.) We'd have two different versions of a character running around, one making progress in GW1, the other making progress in GW2. I can see it now, people asking for the progress they made in GW1 after they imported their characters into GW2 to be 'uploaded' to the GW2 version. Or should the GW1 version be deleted after the character 'warps' into GW2?

Or do we want the characters to move back and forth between the games? Yeah, obviously we do, that's what people are talking about here. ('We', as in 50% of the GWG community, the 50% I don't belong to, incidentally.)

So 'we' want GW2 to perpetually drag around the GW1 legacy as a ball and chain? Or are we expecting GW2 to be so similar to GW1 that moving characters between the games is something trivial? Neither option sounds like a good idea to 'me', especially the latter of the two. I'd want GW2 to be so far advanced, kicking GW1's ass on so many levels, that the very idea of importing characters would appear as nothing more than a silly notion we can all look back to and laugh at. Like taking some billion years old primordial self replicating proteins into the twentyfirst century and expecting them to function well in our society.

angmar_nite · Mar 15, 2007, 10:15 PM // 22:15

I would like SOME bonus features such as putting it on the same accoutn and trading items with yourself. Or bonus weapons or something. But however if it is in a different time such as the Charr invasion of Kryta and orr, or palawa joko's invasion, the character should not be allowed to go.

If it is in teh same time period or similar. make it very hard to go such as beating all missions or something (ok its not that hard)

Jeremy Untouchable · Mar 15, 2007, 11:22 PM // 23:22

i think the poll shows that 50% of the players want to bring there toons over, However, should the game come out and there toons can not come over, then most of those people will STILL buy guildwars. They may whine about it, but in the end i have faith that Anet will put out a product that i will want to play....

Liberations · Mar 15, 2007, 11:45 PM // 23:45

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Originally Posted by Alfrond

This is a rather tricky issue. On one side I understand that from a lore stand point, importing characters might not make sence. Also, I get the idea that a fresh start is kinda neat. However, I would personally feel rather upset that all my accomplishments in GW1 were all for naught. Of course, I realize that due to the fact that we were just playing a game those accomplishments don't really matter anyway, but this news about GW2 really makes me think about whether many players (including myself) put too much time and effort into Guild Wars. What good was it to work on those titles or that fancy armor if it's all gonna go away in the end? Even if GW2 allows importing, this whole issue just makes me wonder that maybe we're just wasting our time.

That's how life is in the long run. The point is, you had fun while it lasted, and now your ready to start all over again and uber-power your stuff! We're not wasting our time if we had fun anyway. But it would be cool if they could inteligently (which they do most of the time) give us some benefit while making it a fresh start. Or they could run the two games along side... Whatever, Arenanet is pretty good at things I'm sure they have some plans. One thing I hope though is that they let us have one universal account with a new client that lets Guilds exist cross servers. We could have two options when running the game: GW or GW2 character.

Bryant Again · Mar 16, 2007, 12:57 AM // 00:57

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Originally Posted by Gli

People are obviously not thinking things through.

Importing characters would equal duplicating the characters, assuming GW1 will still be up and running when GW2 comes around. (And there's no reason to believe it won't be.) We'd have two different versions of a character running around, one making progress in GW1, the other making progress in GW2. I can see it now, people asking for the progress they made in GW1 after they imported their characters into GW2 to be 'uploaded' to the GW2 version. Or should the GW1 version be deleted after the character 'warps' into GW2?

Or do we want the characters to move back and forth between the games? Yeah, obviously we do, that's what people are talking about here. ('We', as in 50% of the GWG community, the 50% I don't belong to, incidentally.)

So 'we' want GW2 to perpetually drag around the GW1 legacy as a ball and chain? Or are we expecting GW2 to be so similar to GW1 that moving characters between the games is something trivial? Neither option sounds like a good idea to 'me', especially the latter of the two. I'd want GW2 to be so far advanced, kicking GW1's ass on so many levels, that the very idea of importing characters would appear as nothing more than a silly notion we can all look back to and laugh at. Like taking some billion years old primordial self replicating proteins into the twentyfirst century and expecting them to function well in our society.

Hittin' the nail, repeatedly. People seem to be acting as though GW2 will be released tomarrow. Please people, think before you leap. Will you really, honestly, be so concerned about character transfer five years from now? Because that would be the only beneficial time to release a sequel to Guild Wars.

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Originally Posted by Phantom Flux

With that said, the majority has spoken, period

No they have not spoken, only Guild Wars Guru has.

And please, stop attacking him and others for speaking their minds.

Goats17 · Mar 16, 2007, 01:06 AM // 01:06

I want nothing more than the names. I like my names.

jarwel · Mar 16, 2007, 01:15 AM // 01:15

I say that if they make GW2 they should give GW a proper ending. Maybe Gwen can come back with spontaneous combustion. That way we can watch all of our precious characters, titles and armor burn into thin air. The look on everyones face, Priceless....

Phantom Flux · Mar 16, 2007, 01:17 AM // 01:17

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

No they have not spoken, only Guild Wars Guru has.

Yes they have, in the polls.

Bryant Again · Mar 16, 2007, 01:24 AM // 01:24

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Originally Posted by Phantom Flux

Yes they have, in the polls.

Yes, the polls on Guild Wars Guru, unless you assume GWG to represent the current Guild Wars population - which it does not.

Cuthroat Dibbler · Mar 16, 2007, 02:10 AM // 02:10

I'm sure any Mark 2 would be a major upgrade, but if I couldn't take the toon i've been playing for the last near 2 years then I'm out. It'd prolly be that perfect excuse to get out more and who knows...get that "life" thing I keep hearing being mentioned

FoxBat · Mar 16, 2007, 02:38 AM // 02:38

Because GW has been selling well, I doubt they are shifting emphasis away from GW1 expansions because it isn't making them enough money. Rather they are probably tired of trying to innovate with the limitations of the old engine and mechanics. The majority frankly only matter so much, developers have to have their own vision and drive to make a game, they aren't slaves to your every whim, and they aren't going to throw those innovations out just because a lot of existing grinders want character compatability.

Phantom Flux · Mar 16, 2007, 04:09 AM // 04:09

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Yes, the polls on Guild Wars Guru, unless you assume GWG to represent the current Guild Wars population - which it does not.

It doesn't matter. almost 1,000 players voted. That's already alot. We don't need everyone on this. The 50% that voted says it all.

Melody Cross · Mar 16, 2007, 04:16 AM // 04:16

I didn't read the whole thing because its 18 pages long. Sorry if this is already said.

I voted no, but let us link accounts in some way to save our old names. Just in case, i've already made a PvE toon with the name I want for my GW2 monk and I hope they do that.

If it is a new game I don't think they can bring old characters over from GW1 anyway. it will have different skills and different ways to use them. it will have different armor and different skins for the armor. it will have different graphics and programs that run the graphics, so they will not look the same even if you make them really really close.

If it doesn't have all these new programs then its not really a new game inthe first place. its just the old game with new stories on a different server with some addon features and updates. It is like trying to play shogo MAD on windows XP or Vista. shogo is a game that was made for windows 98 years and years ago when win98 was new. its used programs that worked for windows98. but lots of those programs don't work for windows XP or windows vista anymore. There are new programs that do the job better now or they were not very stable so they were redone or just stopped being used.

our old characters would be like shogo MAD on windows Vista. its a neat and all, but to make it work you would have to bring all the old programs with it. And they would have to work with the new ones too.

If we can get a name saving thing then we can rebuild our old characters in the new game anyway. We have to get all the new skills and all the new armors and stuff, but we would have had to do that anyway. Maybe people who owned all the GW1 games can get some kind of bonus item too, like the in-game /bonus stuff you get for having bought special additions. I like that idea too because it rewards loyal customers for coming back after 2 years of waiting.

Shmanka · Mar 16, 2007, 06:24 AM // 06:24

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Originally Posted by jeremy untouchable

i think the poll shows that 50% of the players want to bring there toons over, However, should the game come out and there toons can not come over, then most of those people will STILL buy guildwars. They may whine about it, but in the end i have faith that Anet will put out a product that i will want to play....

Trust me, if my characters aren't able to be imported, FURY will look like alot of better gameplay. This is not the only game of its kind now, Guildwars was the first doesn't mean it will be the best.

Shmanka · Mar 16, 2007, 06:33 AM // 06:33

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Naw, you'll still need to elaborate.

As a suggestion I said perhaps instead of "revamping" all of the GW1 skills from GW1>GW2 they could do a proposed idea for PvE characters(since pvp are just insta creatable)

If a skill does not exist anymore and a character had it, it could instead gain a skill point.

Example: Diversion is not in GW2, and I want to transfer my Mesmer. When I transfer my mesmer Diversion is gone but is replaced with a skill point.

Simple, Clean, Easy, non-advantagable.

Characters with a huge amount of experience will just have to adapt just like the new characters made.

Now the possibility of weapons and armor, well personally since I will be a little bit biased here. I would propose to keep all of the FoW armor the same or very similar graphically. That external dimension I believe should stay intact to be as similar as possible. If they don't have FoW/UW in GW2, Anet.. right now don't call it GW2.

The max armor and weapon upgrades are questionable, but in all honesty if Anet can't modify a few numbers. I especially will not be buying any products under NCsoft.

Firestone · Mar 16, 2007, 07:10 AM // 07:10

I would say let charcs be able to carry over wif items.

Reason: Too much time spend on charcs. GW game by itself is boring when u think tht everything is the same. No grid etc (excluding the titles).

When Chapter 1 was released, the game started as being innovative etc, but when C3 came out, it starts to get boring. Lacking creativity, and innovation... I'm guessing unless GW2 is able to change that, this game is prob going the way of dodo bird.

Let's face it... how many of you guy buy all the chapters because u feel obliged, either due to guild pressure, frens pressure, or even the need to complete all skills, or the need to have that competitive edge in pvp?

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I see a lot of rants like.. this is a free game, no monthly payment as a form of zealous postings.
But hey, this idea isn't even new.
bnet started this trend way before anet.
games like starcraft, diablo series, silkroad, supreme destiny are all free to boot.

I would prob quit if charcs are not allowed to bring over. Prob will try out other online games.

Gli · Mar 16, 2007, 07:30 AM // 07:30

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Originally Posted by Shmanka

If a skill does not exist anymore and a character had it, it could instead gain a skill point.

Example: Diversion is not in GW2, and I want to transfer my Mesmer. When I transfer my mesmer Diversion is gone but is replaced with a skill point.

Simple, Clean, Easy, non-advantagable.

You're assuming GW2 has mesmers, or something called skill points. What if it doesn't?

Look at another popular game that had a sequel. Diablo had Rogues, Warriors and Sorcerers; Diablo II had Amazons, Barbarians, Necromancers, Paladins, Sorcerers, (and later on Assassins and Druids)

Corinthian · Mar 16, 2007, 08:12 AM // 08:12

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Originally Posted by Phantom Flux

If I can't share GW 2 with my old characters, that I worked a lot of time on, screw that. I wouldn't even bother GW 2. I have a life. LOL. Sorry, but GW 2 would be good for players with no lives.

You say you "have a life" just after you state that you worked a lot of time on characters... Talk about contradiction here. Get a life.

I can't understand why you wouldn't want to start over. It's a completely different game. It's like saying that if you can't port your characters from WoW to GW you refuse to play GW. Guess what? You can't have your characters in GW2. You refuse to play? Us 500 billion other players are just fine without you. Actually we are quite content without the 50% of current GW1 population.